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Heartless: An Interview With Howard Leese

 By Jeb Wright 

Howard Leese is best known as an original member of the band Heart.  It is his backwards guitar that can be heard on “Magic Man,” marking the first guitar solo in the band’s history.  Nowadays, Leese plays guitar with Paul Rodgers, a dream come true for the guitar player, as his favorite band is the Rodgers founded Free.   

Leese is known as one of rock n’ roll’s good guys; a fan friendly, down to earth person, who simply loves music.  He prefers to spend time in the studio but ironically, with Rodgers and Heart, has spent countless hours on stage.  Away from the spotlight, Howard lives a normal life and relishes in the roles of husband and father. 

Recently, he put the finishing touches on his solo album Secret Weapon.  The album features Howard’s tasteful guitar playing, as one would expect, but he also plays the bass, the keyboard and all the orchestration.  In fact, he plays all the instruments but the drums, which he trusted to friend and virtuoso Mark Schulman.   

Part of Secret Weapon is instrumental, but many tracks feature amazing vocalists.  His boss, Paul Rodgers sings on the poignant “Heal the Broken Hearted.”  Others making guest appearances are Jimi Jamison, Joe Lynn Turner and Deanna Johnston, of Rock Star INXS fame.  Not all the guest are vocalists, however.  Leese also features Paul Reed Smith, Keith Emerson and, the bass player in Rodgers’ band, Lynn Sorensen.   

At the end of the day, Leese’s biggest challenge with Secret Weapon will be keeping it from remaining a secret.  With no label and little budget for promotion, the album could have a hard time getting out there.  That would be a shame as this is a testament to Howard’s talent and creativity.  Every song stands on it’s own and every note comes from the heart.  Do yourself a favor and go to http://www.myspace.com/howardleese to purchase Secret Weapon 


Jeb: You have made a very interesting guitar record.  You have a lot of different styles, as well as guest vocalists and some instrumentals.   

Howard: It is not some big chops showcase like the shred guys, where every song is showing off.  I tried not to show off and show how fast I could play, instead, I tried to play what was appropriate to the music.  The other thing that was fun for me is that I am playing everything but the drums.  I got to express myself on a number of different instruments.  It is not just a guitar record because I am doing the orchestration and all instruments, besides drums. Mark Schulman, who did an amazing job, played the drums.  Mark has toured with Billy Joel, Pink, Cher and a ton of others.  He is a very talented drummer.   

Jeb: You have been in no hurry to get this out there.  Why?  

Howard: It has been done quite a while, although I just finished mastering it.   My friends, who formed the label this was going to be on, ended up reforming the band Sweet, so the label dissolved underneath me; it doesn’t exist anymore.  I am just going to put it out there and see what happens.  I have some friends at iTunes–Steve Jobs is actually a fan of mine.  I will press up some CDs and I am going to press up some vinyl.  Vinyl is three times more popular this year than it was last year.  What I am going to do is encode a digital download so that you can still get the digital download when you buy it as vinyl but when you are at home you can play it on your turntable.  There are a lot of guys who still have the $200,000 stereo and I figured that I would press 1000 and sign and number them, for the collector guys.    

Jeb: This is not music that you wrote with commercial intent.  

Howard: It is art, free of commerce.  I wasn’t trying to make a hit record.  I just wanted to make good music that I was proud of.  I have had hit records and # 1 records and platinum and gold records, and that is all fine and dandy, but most of these songs are too long to be on the radio.  I just wanted to do what I thought was good.   

Jeb: You have Joe Lynn Turner on the first two tracks.  He sounds amazing.  

Howard: Joe has a great voice. He did a great job on “Alive Again.”  I wrote that track when I was down in Mexico with Paul Rodgers.  I was playing it for him but he said, “I like it but I am working on something that is very similar and in the same key.”   As I got more and more into the song, it sounded to me like early Heart.  I sent it to Ann but I never got any response as to if she wanted to sing on it or not.  I, then, sent it to Joe, and I am glad I did because he did a great vocal for it.     

Jeb: Did you give the guys the room to put their own melody on it?  

Howard: The singer was given the track and they were allowed to put their own melody to it.  I might give them a guitar version of what I thought the melody should be, but a guy like Joe knows how to write a good melody.  One thing that I did was tell them that this is the arrangement and I am not going to go back and re-record it because you want to add another chorus here or there.  I told them that this is how it was going to go, so fit your vocal to the track.  Everybody went with the music and really wrote appropriately to the tracks.   

Jeb: Joe Lynn sings the second song as well but he is doing a duet with Deena Johnston from that television show.   

Howard: The song is “Hot and Cold.”  She was on Singing Divas but she is best known for being on Rock Star INXS.  Joe brought her in.  I wasn’t going to have a girl on the record, for obvious reasons—I didn’t want them to be compared to Ann Wilson.  I was really hesitant but Joe brought Deena with him when he came over to do the vocal for “Alive Again.”  He told me that I had to listen to this song.  She had already recorded a demo vocal of the song.  I thought it was a very average sounding track until she sang on it.   

There are a lot of pissed off girls signing about things, like Pink and Avril Lavigne.  She was singing on it and sounding pissed off about her boyfriend and I thought it would be cool to make it a duet, but not a lovey-dovey one.  Instead, it was the guy and the girl being pissed at each other and having an argument.  Joe and her did it and it was great.  She really rescued the song.   

Jeb: “Heal the Broken Hearted” is amazing.  Do you ever get sick of hearing him sing so perfectly?   

Howard: I get sick of him the way I get sick of breathing and eating.  He is amazing.  I knew I had to entice Paul to sing on the record because I knew he would only do it if he heard something that he liked.  I did a couple of blues type things that were in his wheelhouse, kind of Free sounding, and he didn’t pick up on them.  I was surprised he didn’t go for one of those, but I really wanted him to be on the album.   

Paul is a total artist and he puts everything he has into whatever he does, but he has to feel it in order to do it.  I thought about it and I remembered that Paul loves my mandolin playing.  We play “Silver, Blue and Gold” with just piano and mandolin and it is great.  I decided to write a mandolin track.  I sent it to him and I didn’t hear anything from him for a couple of months.  I thought to myself, “Man, he is really being tough.  He is not liking anything that I send to him.”   He called me a while after that and he told me, “I wrote a song to that track you sent me.  I wrote it months ago and I lost the tape.  I just found it and I will send it back to you.”  I got his demo and it was amazing.  He came into the studio and he was going to sing it in his lower register, like he sings the first half.  The engineer that was doing the session with him said, “Why don’t you jump up to your high range halfway through the song.”  Paul had to go up an octave from where he was doing it.  He goes up really high and, in my mind, it is one of his greatest vocals because it shows him going from really low to really high.  It is different from a lot of what people are used to hearing him sing, so I think that makes it very interesting.  

Jeb: “French Quarter” is a weird little piece of music.  

Howard: I had that on a cassette about seven or eight years ago.  I was producing a project for a friend a few years ago and they had a decent budget.  They brought in Slash and Steve Stevens for guitar solos and, on one song, we brought in Keith Emerson.  We were just screwing around and getting ready to record the song they were going to work on and we came up with that.  I said, “You were recording that weren’t you?”  He goes, “Yeah.”  I said, “Make me a copy of that.”  I have had that sitting around for quite a while and I knew someday I would use it.  We ran it through a program to make it sound like an old record.  I am playing the organ and Keith is playing the piano.  He is just a frighteningly good musician.  I always knew I would use this as an interlude.  I don’t know if it is really appropriate to put on the album, but I like it.   

Jeb: What is “33 West Street”? 

Howard: That is the address of Paul Reed Smith’s original workshop in Maryland, where my Golden Eagle guitar was built.  Paul is on it and all the instruments used are PRS.   

Jeb: This is the first instrumental on the album.  Was there a thought that you should just do an instrumental album?  

Howard: The first thing I wrote for the record was “Vermilion Border,” which is an instrumental.  However, I am known for working with great singers.  I actually wrote “33 West Street” with the idea of having a vocal on it but I never got around to writing it, so I kept it instrumental.  

Jeb: Tell me about your PRS guitar.   

Howard: It is the first PRS that has a maple top.  It is what they consider to be the first modern PRS.  They made 100 copies of it and they are for sale.  It is the most valuable PRS.  The maple for the top was from a three hundred-year-old maple dresser that was at his bass players mother’s house.  There is actually a little plug on the front of the guitar where the drawer pull used to go.  It was the bass player’s underwear drawer.  Paul walked into the house and saw this Stradivarius era wood on this old piece of furniture and almost fell over.  The mom says, “I have always wanted some cherry drawers.  Could you make me some cherry drawers?”  He said, “In a minute” and pulled off that maple and made my guitar with it.  

Jeb: How long have you had the guitar and how much is it worth today?  

Howard: I got that guitar in 1980 and it was on every Heart record that I did.  I have to tell you a funny story.  We were recording in Los Angeles at Keith Olsen’s studio—he used to produce Whitesnake and Rick Springfield.  He had a disgruntled employee, who, one night, came in the studio and stole all of our guitars.  He didn’t even put them in their cases, he just threw them in the back of his car and took off.  He held the guitars hostage.  My guitar was a victim of kidnapping.  There were negotiations with police and the whole thing. We finally got our guitars back.  It is still my main guitar.  It is worth about a half a million dollars.  

Jeb: If you had known that you may not have taken it on the road.  

Howard: I paid two thousand for it back then, and that was a lot at the time.  It was better than anything I had ever played.  I loved it so much that I had them make me another one, so I have the first two ever made.  Carlos Santana has number three and four.  It is a very significant guitar.  Guitar One magazine had a thing about The One Hundred Greatest Moments in Guitar History.  One of the top moments was when Paul Reed Smith made the Golden Eagle. 

Jeb: It is a museum piece.  

Howard: I know.  I still take it on the road.   

Jeb: Back to the album, is that you singing on “The South Summit?” 

Howard: I don’t sing on the record.  That is Duke Fame on that one.  You know the movie Spinal Tap?  

Jeb: Yes, but when I saw the song was credited to Duke Fame I thought it was a joke.  I remember him walking through the hallway.   

Howard: He was the guy who was in town singing at the Enormo Dome.  He used to be the singer in Tap and he went on to be a big star.  He is a friend of mine.  His real name is Paul Shortino; he used to be in Ruff Cutt.  He mixed the record with me.  The challenge to the journalists will be that you have to know your stuff to know who Duke is.   

Jeb: “The South Summit” is amazing.  You think it is going to be an instrumental but then the vocals kick in.   

Howard: I love that song.  I had the acoustic part for years.  I had done a demo of it for a movie soundtrack. I have always liked the acoustic part.  I call it “The Stretcher” because there is a physically challenging stretch in the song.  I was goofing around with the Robin Trower type stuff in the middle of the song and it hit me that I should put the two together.  I don’t have to worry about the song being on the radio.  I really enjoyed the freedom to do whatever I thought was cool.   

They are totally opposite ends of the spectrum but it really works.  Paul Shortino does a really great James Dewar type vocal on it.  When I do jams here in LA, I do “Day of the Eagle” and Paul gets up and sings with me.  Paul was perfect for this.  I also love reading books about these crazy people who climb Everest.  The first thing Paul does is sing, “The mountain is high” and I knew we were going to write a song about a guy who is trapped on a mountain. He is not going to make it to the top and he is not going home.  We thought, “What would that be like?”  It is powerful.  I do that song in the Paul Rodgers show.    

Jeb: “The Vine” with Jimi Jamison was damn good.  Jimi did a great song.  

Howard: That is one of the only cases where the singer didn’t write the vocal.  Jamie Kyle wrote that.   She is a singer in Nashville.  She wrote “Stranded” for Heart.  She is a pro songwriter.  We get together when she comes to town.  She came over one day and she had a poem that was word-for-word what the song is.  I sat down and wrote the chord progression right then.  It only took me about an hour.  She sang a demo of it and then Deanna sang a demo of it.  I wanted to get Steve Perry for it but no one can find him and he doesn’t seem to want to do anything.  He is also my wife’s favorite singer so I thought it would be great to have him on the album.   

A friend of mine is a drummer who knows Jimi and he played it for him.  Jimi loved the song and wanted to sing it.  I told him I was hoping for Perry but that I would love to have a guy sing the demo.  It is a high tenor type of voice that I was imagining.  He told me that if I would pay for the studio time then he would like to go give it a try.  He went in and he sent the vocal back and I knew that was it.  I didn’t even try to find Perry after that.   

Jeb: Keith St. John sang “In These Eyes.”  Who is he?  

Howard: He is mainly known for singing in Montrose.  He has been doing Sammy’s job in Montrose for a while.  I wanted to have a couple of unknown guys on the album.  I wanted to throw a curve ball at people who would only be expecting guys like Paul Rodgers and Ann Wilson on the album.  He is really good.  The day he came over to sing the song, he had just had a horrible breakup with his girlfriend.  He was on the verge of tears.  We had to stop the vocals in the middle because he is on the phone with her and she is at the airport, leaving town.  He is just a shell of a man and I thought, “What a perfect time to record you. Let me hear you bleed.”  It was the worst possible condition to work and I made him work anyway.  

Jeb: And everyone says you are such a nice guy... 

Howard: I am a nice guy but I am a tough producer.   

Jeb: “Vermilion Border.”  What is that?  

Howard: My wife is a nurse and she works in a doctor’s office.  The Vermilion Boarder is the little part of your lips where your lips meet your skin.  She said that one day and I thought it was really cool.  I wrote it down because I thought it would be really cool.  It is a big soaring melody.  I wrote it with Robby Steinhardt of Kansas in mind.  I wanted violin on the verses.  He agreed to do it but then he got kicked out of the band and no one could find him.  I never ended up getting him on the record so I just did the violin part myself.  I added some acoustic guitar to it.  Robby is on there in spirit.  I love Kansas.  They are a great band that we play with a lot.     

Jeb: Andrew Black is an unknown singer.  He did a great job on “I Been Leavin’ You.” 

Howard: I played that for Paul and he said, “He reminds me of me.”  I grew up playing the blues and I love playing that stuff with Paul.   The song features the Paul Rodgers band as well.  Andrew sang it and just killed it. 

This whole record is made completely by hand.  There are no computers on it and there is no studio trickery.  I wanted it to be completely honest and feature actual performances.  My own personal standard is that no punching in is allowed.  The solos are even one pass.  If I couldn’t get it all the way through then I would stop and do it all again.  I didn’t want to assemble a performance.  I wanted a historical performance of the song.  I am even tough on myself.  At the end of the day, I want to be proud of my work.  There may be little imperfections on there but that is okay.  I didn’t want to put together a solo with ten seconds here and then ten seconds there; that is crap in my opinion.   

Jeb: You have been known with your time as Heart as being very involved in the studio.  I would say this is a studio album that is not going to be played in concert.  

Howard: There are no plans to play this live.  I considered this was like being a painter.  I would get up and paint on days I was inspired to paint.  I didn’t work every day.  It was just me and the canvas, or in this case me and the tape.   

Jeb: Can we expect more in the future?  

Howard: The best track is not even on this album.  Bobby Kimball of Toto promised me that he was going to sing on a track and a year went by and he never did it.  I decided to leave it off because he had not done it.  My favorite song is not even on the record but I have a killer track ready for the next one.  I am also going to do another track from West Side Story.   

Jeb: You sent me the West Side Story “Somewhere” to me a long time ago.  I am talking about the one that is on this album.  It sounds like a rock song and not a musical song.  

Howard: It is in the same key and uses a lot of the same arrangement.  I changed the feel a little bit.  The original one is a waltz and mine is in 4/4.  It is “Somewhere” from West Side Story.  I don’t like 99% of Broadway show music but West Side Story is great stuff.  I was ten when it came out.  I saw the movie.  Ann and Nancy know the entire score and they can sing every song in harmony.  I consider West Side Story to be the best music made in the 20th Century.  It took me a whole day just to figure out the chords in that song.  It is very complicated but beautifully done.   

I was not intending to put it on there because it is sacred to me.  One day, the movie was on and my kids, who were four and five at the time, were in the living room.  They were playing with their toys and stuff, but every time a song would come on, they were entranced by it and would start watching the television.  I think that shows how powerful that music is.  I played around with a few songs to try and figure out what would be good to do.  The song is in Eb and I wanted to do something with harmonics like the Jeff Beck song “Where Were You.”  In Eb, that is not possible.  So, I played it in D and I tuned my guitar up a half step.  It took me another day to figure out how to play it with all harmonics.   

Jeb: Start to finish, this is a great album, every song is interesting.  You don’t follow a style but each song stands on it’s own.  There are no clunkers.   

Howard: It is a clunker free zone.  I didn’t want it to be an album where there were two songs and the rest are just okay.  I wanted a lot of textures and a lot of interesting things going on.  There is some straight rock music but a lot of it is more sophisticated.  I was not making music for teenagers.   

Jeb: Last one: You once told me that if you were not playing music with Paul Rodgers then you would be retired.  Is that really how you feel?  

Howard: I was actually retired for one day.  I did my last gig with Ann Wilson on Saturday, flew home Sunday and retired on Monday.  On Tuesday, they called me up and said, “Pine Knob on Tuesday night.  Here is the set list.”  I was never a big live playing guy; I was a studio musician.  I never liked playing in bars and I never liked playing cover tunes.  I ended up having a long career as a stage-performing musician.  Free was my favorite band.  When Paul Rodgers asks you to play then you say ‘yes.’  It is amazing to play next to someone with that much talent at that level. 

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